tv The Last Word MSNBC December 27, 2012 7:00pm-8:00pm PST
this is part of the story of the 2012 election and maybe the never several elections. sam wang had an accurate forecasting model. he sent us a cartoon rather than a chart. he weighed in on the attacks being launched as people like us who are using data to talk about the election. it says quote, breaking, to surprise a sun dit the best system for determining which of two things is wiser. we posted these charts and a bunch of others. i'll tweet a link to them. that does it for tonight. and now it is time for the last word. have a good night. >> the house of representatives. has known for over a year that
it has a monday night deadline for avoiding the fiscal cliff. so when are they going to start working on that? sunday night. >> stalemate gridlock joorks this is what the holidays look like. >> there is so much manure around here. >> this isn't school house rock. >> the fiscal cliff. whatever. >> there is barely 00 hours. >> the last minute was before christmas. >> what is going on here? is. >> how come there is no sense of urgency. >> the entire house coming back sunday night. >> how is john boehner going to get the votes. he couldn't get the votes for his plan b. >> a week ago we were closer than we have been before. >> do they presume the voters are that dumb?
>> they passed it. >> they did it noing that they are unable to make deals on anything. >> how about complete chaos? >> there ought to be a new rule in congress. >> you cannot create anymore artificial crisis. >> tim geithner wrote a letter to congress. we are going to hit the debt ceiling. it never ends. >> happy new year's america. ♪ 29 and a half hours that is how long congress will have to avoid going over the fiscal curve on sunday night. >> if we go over the cliff, mr.
president, the house of representatives as we speak with four days left after today with the first of the year, aren't here. i can't mamg they are out wherever they r and we are here trying to get something done. >> president obama called leaders last night and tomorrow afternoon we will meet with the speaker and mix mcconnel and harry reid to see if they can avoid going off the fiscal curb on january 1st. today harry reid emphasized that there is ome one reason why they are unable to reach an agreement so far. >> this has been going on for years. they cannot cross over the threshold.
clearly the positioning game continues. harry reid saying we did our job months ago. do you think we til would be@posturing stage at the end of that white house meeting tomorrow? >> in your introduction you made the fundamental point here which is that this agreement before the end of the year, simply cannot go forward unless john by nor is willing to let it do so with majority democrats in the house. if we go over the curve as you put it, they can vote for a large tax decrease becaused off
of the new rates that would be reset. they can say we votes to cut taxes for 98% of households. but it is the only scenario that i cap see out there in the near term. >> the building that read has passed. let's lis ep to what mitch mcconnell said about that? >> the senate bill passed with ome democratic votes and despite this repeated calls for the house to pass it. he knows that he himself is the reason it can't happen. the paperwork never left the senate. i said at that time we knew it
didn't pass constitutional muster. it has one procedural rule for congress that all tax bills must reg nate in the house of representatives. of course they can do what they want. there is a niss of ways in which they have got ten around this thing in the past. as to why they are not passing the ball. if this is what he is clinning to now, it is like he is not clinging to much. >> this is a chamber that has not seen is some of the greatest
offereds come through it. and here he is saying the paperwork has yet to leave the senate. >> and he also knows that it is silly. yes, that particular big cannot be taken up in the house. but sandy levin has a bill that is i'd wall. all bhoehner has to do is make those changes on the noor. the idea that they would love to pass this senate bill. but the constitution is stwandig in their way. okay, this is over. you are boeing to fold, when are you going to fold. the senate has lith rated tax
bills many peoples. at an be stutionist's toog. the variety of of ways to get around that. but i want to listen to something within the host on foxness about how the president has handled this situation. >> he's basketball ueen using t great skill to shatter the doubt of the house. his objective from the very beginning was to break the will of the republicans and great an internal civil war. and he has done that. from insisting on day one that republicans have to race rates. he says that is what he will in
visit upon flt he knew it will great a crisis and he did. >> between mcxho donald world al add. we are deeply think and al ilt ce in wonderland for hours before we hit the deadline. the idea of the tax bill, when i was listening to harry reid. he accept sayi ining groerer as blocking this plan b. so the republicans in the house refuse to raise taxes on the top
0.2%. the basic commissions of this is that woe ce cannot achieve new revenues. the rates automatically reset. so we actually have a money to get to something that looks like a compromise. but to any new revenues in the deal has gone beyond nor kwist. >> because of what he just said about the difference dynamics and what you have gone over the cliffs. >> that is why i have thought that we are going to take over
that cub for a few days to fet a pag or the bert of repetition. the first version that i had about the cliff was a senator who said to me, well we are going to have to go off the blast. and he meant it only for a two or two. and it meals hike we are at that spot and we can hope it is only for a day or two. the ensensitives are lined up. bhoehner wants him to go over the cliff. he wants to be re-elected speaker and wants to do what he has to do.
the only one is the credits and he has been trying to fwrt to get a deal. it looks like all of the incentives dpeps him unless tomorrow after noon. but you are weight tee this into january 3rd and 4th. maybe that money or tg. we will have top leave it there. thank you for joining me tonight. coming up, the gun buyback program here in la is setting record. the lapb is gekting more guns than ever. and we have a began candidate.
and i'm going to place my betterly in this res. tweet your guesses and the winner will win the senate teet and i will make that prevision tonight. in the rewrite tonight, the vatican is getting growing support for same sex marges. it is part of a socialist plot. which means the pope is frong about marge and socialism s. [ male announcer ] the 2013 smart comes with 8 airbags,
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and officials were scrambling to get more gift cards. what motivated me was the connecticut shooting. >> the incident that happened in connecticut was because i have six grand kids that live with me. >> on friday. the president of the nra said this. >> next week. we will be interested in talking about these. and contact us please at that point. we will be willing to talk to anyone on monday. he has been busy running around
this is happening in big cities in la. >> we are already sensitive to it and not in some of the more rural parts of the country. what i think is important is the sensation that is occurring throughout the country. it doesn't mean that it is prevent i preventing getting one of those guns. it is clearly happening out there. and karen the drudge report going crazy. jared loughner used ed handgun you couldn't write legislation that did not try to take that gun out of jared loughner's
hand. we had a weapon that was used. i think he modified his ar 15 to be able to shoot more people faster but yeah, i think part of what is happening. we talked about this last night. people don't realize how broken our system really is. these guns are available when people should not have them. what that means, that is about mass killing. that is not about being a sportsman. that is part of what is being driven home right now. when the nra is throwing around all sorts of fake notions that
are in the fake dialogue. no one is saying that you can stop everyone of these things. how hard do you you want to make it? the risk of the gun in the home is greater than the benefit. as the owner of the gun in connecticut found out when his son got his hands on it. and the denaccidents happen in homes with guns. how hard is that to find out. >> go figure. the other issue today is that looking around the web, it is actually easier to go online and purchase a 100 round clip high
capacity magazine than it is to renew my driver's license in florida. if you transfer $10,000 of your money, it triggers your bank that goes to the federal government. but you can go online and with free holiday shipping purchase a high capacity magazine. even the law enforcement in the communities have no way of know ing a large number of weapons, perhaps a bullet proof vest. that might send off a few alarms.
making it harder to sexercise te right to vote. we should think that people are more responsible owning a gun than casting a ballot. that is part of what is being revealed. >> i want to go to one other finding in this study about this. it is about the notion of people need guns for protection. >> there is no evidence that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood of severe iity durin
break in. it is actually going to be usable in a way that will protect you. >> to the contrary. those same studies have shown, they are are more likely to go through if there is a gun in the house. what is more likely to happen is you are going to get shot. what happened is, they didn't kill the shooter. the shooter killed themselves. they were in able to get to it. >> they looked at the mass events. if somebody had a weapon other than the shooter themselves, innocent people got hurt. it was not the case that the shooter themselves, guns in the home. the tragedy with the football player.
domestic violence. we know that women in terms of victims of domestic violence. children, with regard to chirp children in a home with guns. this correlation that they are talking about is not true. i'm going to be a customer of ralph's super markets. that is what is being used to buy back the guns. >> i'm going in ing to have to the whole foods now. i want to support them. because there is a very clear sense of corporate responsibility.
compare that with the gun manufacturers and this is the kind of action that we want to support. >> dick's sporting goods took these weapons off their shelves. the gun industry has sat back and watched video games be blamed. they market product placement to sell more guns. >> karen, you are still doing martin this week right? >> you are are filling in? karen, is she still miked? >> yes, i am. got one more day. >> you think you are going to have big news to report tomorrow? >> somehow i don't think so. karen let me explain something to you. you want to say yes. there will be huge news.
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u.s. senate because this fight is too important. there is so much at stake. his announcement came days, as others announced they will not run for the seat. the election will take place some time in june. massachusetts government will appoint a place holder as john kerry is sworn in. 52% of voters have a favorable view of congressman ed marky. a third polled said they had never heard of him. in a pipethet kahypothetical
election, joining me now rk, gentleman, i'm going to kill the suspension right now. with that poll, showing 48% would say today that they would vote for scott brown and 40% saying they would vote for ed marky, i'm declaring him for the winner to be. those numbers compared to the numbers you saw, hillary clinton way ahead of barack obama and that gap was closed. i think it is going to be closeable by ed marky. he has three million raised and ready to spend. >> yes, that gives him the opportunity to get his message out. and even though he has been in congress for 36 years, for 36
years, he has run from one little district in the entire state. this will be his first statewide race. that might explain why a third of the people polled haven't heard of him. he is big on climate change. and so, you know, let's see if your prediction comes true. jump in with me here on this one. you know, i wanted to jump in with you on the tim pawlenty thing. i knew i would be hearing about that tonight. >> i want to know who else is going to jump in. >> my point is scott brown is the current republican senator. he is polling below 50 and when
he was running against elizabeth warren who started off not so well-known throughout the sate. i'm looking at nothing prohibitive and nothing he can't make up. it is more of a challenge for scott brown to push up. >> he had his rise and fall. he he lost by over five points. there was a lot of buzz. but i think the bloom is off that rose. congressman marquise is looking again and it is a tradition for massachusetts to provide the strongest liberal leadership in the country. the 7th district which you know well is the most liberal
district is saying something. and then the index which looks at idealology is a 29 point gap. you have a lot of people in the house and you look at the fights and the republican party who are pulling the senate to the right even after they lose races i think it would be good for the senate to have a liberal in there. the guy he who i don't think anyone would beat is governor patrick. i think he would be the guy who could run away wit. but he said that back in november. i assume he is going to stick to that. but, you know, ed marquise
removes from scott brown the only thing that he used to campaign against lelizabeth warren. his father was a milk man and he is the local boy made good. and scott brown as no idea how to campaign against someone who wasn't born in another state. let's keep something in mind here. scott brown has won statewide. the people in the state still now who he is here. this would give them a second chance to earn their votes again. even though he has been in the house and run elective races. for all those terms, he's done it in that one district that he
was talking about in the suburbs of boston. as we've seen many times, candidates that have to run statewide and nationwide. it is a different way of campaigning. i think we have to wait and see how well he does statewide. i have no daut he will do very well. you don't get elected and say elected without being someone who is smart, gifted and savvy. and put them against scott brown there and it will be an ain'ting race. that is saying who knows who else could jump into the race. >> i think the key to the point is you is to go with scott
brown's middle name and that is mitch mcconnell. and the idea that you are going to cut social service during this recession, at the end of the day i don't think you can vote for him as a leader. >> before we go, do you think there is a chance that scott brown won't run? >> he is waiting in the wings if scott brown doesn't run? >> he ran for governor of new york and more power to him if he he can pull it off but national republicans and the money thinks he has the best shot. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. coming up, our final update or the year. on the kind fund.
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it says they are a different reality. same sex couples can not d biologically reproduce. this puts them in the came space as those who cannot reproduce and mary years after the age that they could have the baby. as support for marriage equality increases around the world the vatican is getting panicky. it is claiming that it is a socialist plot.
never mind that jesus christ was the original socialist. and that the hard-core of all-time was viciously anti-gay. fidel castro became the most extre extreme traeme practitioner of socialism. in his eutopia gay sex was a criminal act. he sent them to reeducation bel country of it. so it has not been a special friend to gay people around the world. the catholic church wants to e
pretrend it has thrived around the world in socialist countries. yes, italy is a socialist country, as is every country in the world, the united states of america where the movement toward marge equality is far less sociallistic than many countries where it is mayis mak little or no progress and the guys who have taken a life time vow have proven again that they know nothing about marriage. and they prove that they don't know much about socialis many either. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better.
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